what will u buy next [Archive]

ihsan125

10-31-2005, 02:52 PM

Whats ur choice for your next Hard Drive player? flash player? and why

im thinking about getting whatever dell follows up with after the 3rd gen dj30. and u guys probably already know i am one of the few (ok, only) fan of the ditty.

i also would like to see what creative follows up with after the zen touch.

i went out of my way to persuade myself into considering an ipod but i still cant get down with the HD ipod or nano. both are overpriced, and too mainstream for me.

is it me or does shopping for a mp3 player remind you of car shopping? i got my dj cuz it does everything a hd player is supposed to do (play my library). kinda like most people buy toyotas cuz it does what a car is supposed to do (go from point a to point b). toyota is a simple car(goes from point a to point b) and the dj is simple player (plays my whole library) with no bells and whistles. the djs and toyotas arent exactly high on the cool scale but they are excellent values for their cost.

sorry 4 ranting lately, i got a over week out of school cuz of hurricane wilma, and im just getting a few thoughts out of my head so i can think of better things (like disc cleanup but for my brain). ok now im screwing around.

seriously i hope dells next hd player doesnt suck, cuz i love my simple dj, like most people love their simple toyotas.

comfortablyNUMB

10-31-2005, 02:55 PM

I got my DJ in January, and I'll probably use it for another year and get whatever comes out then. I still want to see what the gen 3 DJ's are gonna be like. I was thinking about a new iPod but I realized that I dont need one.

merouby

10-31-2005, 03:10 PM

If you have a good, working DAP, why bother. I always loved watching movies on a bus (using VCDs), so I sold my old iPod and bought the new one, which I have not yet received.

skauff83

10-31-2005, 03:20 PM

I plan on using my pocket dj until it dies, which will hopefully not be for a long time yet.

When it does, I imagine PVP's will be cheaper and more mainstream, so I might take a look at one of those (like archos's portable tivo-like device).

ihsan125

10-31-2005, 03:41 PM

If you have a good, working DAP, why bother. I always loved watching movies on a bus (using VCDs), so I sold my old iPod and bought the new one, which I have not yet received.

the portable tivo idea is very cool. personally, i like the in home television experience better, btw what the hell is a DAP.

whats the difference between the pvp and dap do they both play music and video files

comfortablyNUMB

10-31-2005, 03:46 PM

the portable tivo idea is very cool. personally, i like the in home television experience better, btw what the hell is a DAP.

whats the difference between the pvp and dap do they both play music and video files

DAP = Digital Audio Player, such as the dell dj. It's main function, obviously, is to play music.

PVP = Portable Video Player, such as the Creative Zen Vision or the Archos AV500.

They're basically just acronyms made up to categorize different types of music/video players.

ihsan125

10-31-2005, 04:05 PM

whoa!!!!!!!!!!!

u guys put me onto something new, i might ride out my dj like skauff and save for one of these. by the time i get the loot they will have even better ones available.

it would be sweet if it had the red,white, and yellow cables (like how we plug our dj in a stereo, but for the pvp to a tv) so i could tivo something and then watch it on a friends tv.

TheBigNewt

10-31-2005, 04:30 PM

I did stop into an Apple store in Chicago over the weekend and played with the new ipod. The photo selection thing is impressive. The screen looks great, you can organize them by folder, etc, and you can spin through them at lightning speed (as fast as you spin the clickwheel). You can choose cool effects for slideshows. For somebody with a lot of photos it would be a nice unit, even though you have to compress them via itunes. I didn't try the video feature.

BinaryRaven

10-31-2005, 05:07 PM

I just recently bought my DJ so I'll be holding on to it for at least a year. I'm not really a brand whore, what ever is at a good price that has everything I'm looking for I'll get. What I'm leaning towards in the future is a High Capacity (over 60 gigs) player, my dream would to be able my entire digital music collection on a DAP (I'm at 80 gigs thus far in music). Right now there isn't anything that I would drop my DJ for on the market, i'm very content with my DJ only thing bugging me is space but I guess that's a good problem to have.

Sparky

10-31-2005, 08:46 PM

I just picked up a 4 gig iPod nano, it's a perfect unit for Podcasts. Once I got iTunes setup, all I need to do is plug it into my iBook and it will load the new files, delete any with a play count more than 0 and updates the playlists. It doesn't get any easier. :) It presently has 1.6 days worth of programming with over 2 gigs free yet (enough room for some audio books and Old Time Radio).

I looked at the iPod with video, but my 14" Apple iBook handles all my video with a larger screen. I record tv shows on my desktop during the week and transfer them to the iBook for while I'm travelling during the week. I'm also finding quite a few "Vidcasts" that download like podcasts as well. Most content is computer and tech related but I think the Ipod with video will quickly change that and more content will be available soon.

I have plans of semi-permanently mounting my DJ in my highway car to hold music only, I'll only remove it to add more music.

DM.

10-31-2005, 09:39 PM

I love my DJ and I will use it until it dies, which wont be anytime soon given what it has gone through and has shown no signs of even failing at all. Still keeps the average 7hr battery, still plays my 192bit rate songs in 2secs, still plays the 128bit rate ones instantly, still connects to my computer everytime, still starts up when i need it, still shutsdown when im done. And it still has not frozen in over 10months!

All things said, my DJ is really great and its given me endless hours of music and has kept me awake on the boring subway ride when im nearly falling asleep.

I'm still considering getting a Gen 3 tho, but I dont want to part with my DJ! I love this thing so much!!

I am however considering a flash player. Why? Its for a Christmas present for 'someone' who wants a flash player not a hard drive because of the size difference.

But if I were to buy another player for myself. It would be a hard drive. I dont see flash players taking over hard drive players. Its just like computers. Ram was too bulky to come up to par with hard drive players so they both co-existed since it was invented and has remained that way ever since. There will always be a place for both hard drive and flash players in the market.

See the new 4gb Nano that came out? What have companies like Creative done? Up there drives to now 8gb of space (Zen Micro Photo).

hoob

10-31-2005, 09:44 PM

If anything were to happen to my Gigabeat, I'd probably lose my mind. But, I'd probably go with the Gigabeat X60..I'd think about the Philips player, but I don't know that much about it yet, so who knows. The Kenwood player would be a nice choice, but I'd have to import it, probably..

For flash player, I'd probably go with one of the Creative Zen Nanos. Tiny, but reliable.

comfortablyNUMB

10-31-2005, 10:55 PM

I've always wanted to try out a Gigabeat in person. And for a flash player, I'd go with the Cowon U2 (or the new U3) or a Creative player.

hoob

10-31-2005, 11:02 PM

I've always wanted to try out a Gigabeat in person. And for a flash player, I'd go with the Cowon U2 (or the new U3) or a Creative player.
Well, it's an amazingly sexy machine. And it's just fun to play with. When people see it, they have this tendency to start sliding their fingers up and down the touchpad. Then they start to figure it out. It's kinda funny seeing some people able to figure it out immediately, and then having some who just get all confused after 10 minutes. Guess it's got a bit of a curve to it. But it's beyond sexy, yes...though the Kenwood and the Philips also are contenders for the sexy title.

ihsan125

11-01-2005, 12:13 AM

which models for the kenwood and phillips

hoob

11-01-2005, 01:24 AM

Nova_442

11-01-2005, 02:14 AM

Late next year I'm hoping the PVP group is low enough in price to buy that for my next player. Something like the Archos av420 would be perfect. The ability to record line in video from my TV is essential, making it a de facto digital video recorder.

I'm waiting to see what the next generation of music players across the spectrum is, though. I do think flash players are going to get more popular now that 4 and 8 GB chips are being made (and the capacity continues to increase). There will be a time when flash completely overwhelms hard drive players because they are smaller, less breakable, and require less power.

Considerations for next year:
Flash-8 GB nano or similar player
Hard Disk- Not impressed by iPod video, my next hard drive player will be PVP.
PVP- Archos-like player at an affordable price would be <3

ihsan125

11-01-2005, 07:42 AM

Kenwood HD20GA7.
http://www.generationmp3.com/images/News/0_Mai/0_juin/2.jpg

Philips HDD6330
http://www.consumer.philips.com/catalog/HD/HDD6330_17_webImageFullSize.jpg

I'll admit, I'm a little bit shallow when it comes to the player's looks, but don't get me wrong, either. They're pretty good players. The cool thing about the Kenwood is that it has a built-in digital amp, so that's pretty nifty. The Philips is just class.

ok, those are super sexy. but they bring me back to my original point in that both players do the same thing as my dj. so i think ill do somemore homework on the pvp's an hopefully try one in the future.

superman

11-01-2005, 08:27 AM

I love my DJ for its simplicity, although I wish it could handle podcasts in a little more sensible form. I hope it lasts me a couple of years until they get flash drives up to 30G or more. Flash is the way to go, no moving parts, no hard drive to "slap" when it sticks, no worries about dropping it, longer battery. I don't care much about TV on my dap, who wants to squint at a tiny screen, and its not like you can do anything else like you can while listening to music.

CalgaryCowboy

11-01-2005, 10:45 AM

I probally won't buy another DAP. I now have about 70gigs in my music collection and am interested in a harddrive/wired/wireless component for my home stereo to play all my music. They are already available and the wireless g ones are releletively cheap but not sure if they will do video well enough. Also concerned about the standards changing. My next house will be wired or I might move my computer to my home theater room.

If the dj dies after that I will probally get a flash based player (2gig) for portable music. I bought the dj as way of having access to all my cds without searching around the fact it is portable is a bonus.

Nova_442

11-01-2005, 10:56 AM

There are a few DAPs with 100GB capacity right now. Because they have to use bigger hard drives they also tend to have an "everything including the kitchen sink" feature set as well.

DM.

11-01-2005, 11:05 AM

With the MP3 player market quickly growing and new technologies are coming out, I'd expect to see 100gb 1.8" hard drives in players possibily in 2yrs time, or sooner, at a price which is comparable to todays 30gb player.

dino

11-01-2005, 05:59 PM

I don't see myself replacing my 3rd gen iPod anytime soon. I only will once it either dies on me, or I run out of storage for all of my music. If I were to get an mp3 player now, it would have to have at least 3GB more storage than my music collection (or 'multimedia collection' if it plays video as well). So, I would just get myself a 30GB iPod.

merouby

11-01-2005, 06:37 PM

I agree with Dino. The only reason why I upgraded from my 3G iPod 15GB to my new 5G iPod 30GB is because I used to own a Archos Multimedia 20GB (which played videos & mp3s) and always wanted to replace it in the long run. Now I'm pleased.

I must say, as much as I am a fan of the iPod, that Philips unit above looks sweet!!

NinjaFr3sh

11-01-2005, 08:30 PM

what is so great about ipods anyway? i'll admit they're good players, and they look nice, but they don' t look THAT nice.

comfortablyNUMB

11-01-2005, 08:40 PM

Well, most of the people I know, or anyone knows for that matter, think they look pretty damn good.

Nova_442

11-01-2005, 09:59 PM

The main problem is that except when initially released they aren't going to look that sexy when you walk down the street and run across 4 other people with your player ^^; I once walked to a class and saw no less than 8! iPod minis strapped to people's belts. And I regularly see at least a dozen of the crappy bundled white earbuds Apple gives with iPods.

It's kind of a victim of its own success kind of thing. I definitely think other players are sexier, although the iPod obviously has other virtues.

comfortablyNUMB

11-02-2005, 07:38 AM

The ipod has always been the smallest player, and has always had something unique...the clickwheel, and it's white design. I think the iPod just appeals to a huge range of people, kids or adults. Now, I like the DJ's design, but many people think its boring, and bland. Sure, it's not the iPod, but I think its pretty classy. However, the DJ appeals to more adults than kids because of its business-like and pretty straightforward design.

dino

11-02-2005, 05:28 PM

^You really hit the nail on the head.

Rev. Nathan

11-02-2005, 06:44 PM

comfortablyNUMB

11-02-2005, 10:27 PM

I'd like to get my hands on Toshiba's revamped Gigabeats, now the X series instead of the F series. They looked really small in the pictures I've seen of them, and the screen's even bigger.

Rev. Nathan

11-02-2005, 10:52 PM

I'd like to get my hands on Toshiba's revamped Gigabeats, now the X series instead of the F series. They looked really small in the pictures I've seen of them, and the screen's even bigger.
Seems they are clearing out the F-series, though. The 40GB is $289 on amazon, and the 60 for $330. Nice.

Unfortunately, the internal amplifier in my M3 is dying, I have to chose something fast. :-/

ihsan125

11-03-2005, 12:12 AM

i just found the archos av500 100gb on cnet for a nice 650.

u could put ur whole life on one of these, what if they had expansion cards too.

anyway id spring for this after lot of research and saving. they will get cheaper and better over time.

hoob

11-03-2005, 01:35 AM

I'm thinking I'm going to get the iAudio M5. Unfortunately, not many companies are pushing sound quality, and iAudio has the best I know. The Gigabeat also looks like a pretty radical choice, although I really want to audition it's sound first.
For what it's worth, I have to say that the sound quality on the Gigabeat is excellent. A lot of people experience issues with hissing or popping, but that's usually due to the poor encoding of the mp3s and whatnot. Otherwise, it's a great little power with great sound output and stuff.

merouby

11-03-2005, 07:16 AM

comfortablyNUMB

11-03-2005, 07:26 AM

Here's a great iPod video 'unravelling':
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cdiclerico/sets/1165359/

For what it's worth, Rev. I would stay away from iAudio stuff...the cheap quality doesn't compare to the iPod's build quality or support. This is why I stay away from the 'cheap' stuff. I suggest you keep an open mind and get the iPod/Toshiba/Sony players. You know they will last.

Iaudio is cheap? Do you have any experience with iAudio players? And btw, Rev already has an iAudio M3, and I'm sure he likes it a lot. iAudio players have great sound quality, and tons of features that the iPods dont have like line-in and fm radio. The iAudio's also suppor a lot of file formats, not just mp3 and aac like the iPod, but better, open source formats like ogg.

merouby

11-03-2005, 07:44 AM

Iaudio is cheap? Do you have any experience with iAudio players? And btw, Rev already has an iAudio M3, and I'm sure he likes it a lot. iAudio players have great sound quality, and tons of features that the iPods dont have like line-in and fm radio. The iAudio's also suppor a lot of file formats, not just mp3 and aac like the iPod, but better, open source formats like ogg.

Did you note read what Rev. Nathan said?? Read the quote below:
Unfortunately, the internal amplifier in my M3 is dying, I have to chose something fast

Therefore it is of cheap build. Those are his words up there. I'd rather have my mp3/mp4(aac) iPod than a broken m3 that supports all those funky formats. As for the inline FM tuner...when you own an iPod, you get a choice of FM tuners thanks to a strong aftermarket following. Something the iAudio does not or will not enjoy.

hoob

11-03-2005, 09:56 AM

Did you note read what Rev. Nathan said?? Read the quote below:

Therefore it is of cheap build. Those are his words up there. I'd rather have my mp3/mp4(aac) iPod than a broken m3 that supports all those funky formats. As for the inline FM tuner...when you own an iPod, you get a choice of FM tuners thanks to a strong aftermarket following. Something the iAudio does not or will not enjoy.
Yea, but it's just his M3. If it was a widespread issue, then there would be a problem of cheap build. But I haven't heard of anything like that, though. I mean, there are always a couple duds in some product release. You don't just make an umbrella statement after one case.

Nova_442

11-03-2005, 01:42 PM

It's not like the iPod has been without design flaws rendering the product unusable (battery, screen). Those have been widespread. By merouby's logic iPod is obviously a cheap build.

comfortablyNUMB

11-03-2005, 03:06 PM

Did you note read what Rev. Nathan said?? Read the quote below:

Therefore it is of cheap build. Those are his words up there. I'd rather have my mp3/mp4(aac) iPod than a broken m3 that supports all those funky formats. As for the inline FM tuner...when you own an iPod, you get a choice of FM tuners thanks to a strong aftermarket following. Something the iAudio does not or will not enjoy.

Haha, just about every iAudio player had a BUILT IN fm tuner anyway. And just about all iAudio hard drive players come with a dock and inline remote instead of you having to buy them as extra like the iPod...and the players are still at good prices even with the included stuff.

getthecatdj15

11-03-2005, 03:23 PM

and an ac adaptor is included (i know, what a novel concept)

merouby

11-03-2005, 03:59 PM

It's not like the iPod has been without design flaws rendering the product unusable (battery, screen). Those have been widespread. By merouby's logic iPod is obviously a cheap build.

Battery - old news - issue has been resolved circa 2003
Screen (we're talking scratches here) - Apple replacing all hardware for BRAND NEW no questions asked Doesn't any DAP have scratches?

If the iPod was flawed, it wouldn't be selling like hot cakes almost five years later.

merouby

11-03-2005, 04:00 PM

and an ac adaptor is included (i know, what a novel concept)

You don't need one - it charges via USB while connected via PC

merouby

11-03-2005, 04:01 PM

Haha, just about every iAudio player had a BUILT IN fm tuner anyway. And just about all iAudio hard drive players come with a dock and inline remote instead of you having to buy them as extra like the iPod...and the players are still at good prices even with the included stuff.

What can I say? You get what you pay for. Cheap for cheap.

dino

11-03-2005, 04:05 PM

inline remote instead of you having to buy them as extra like the iPod
Not to mention that the iPod doesn't even have an inline remote (since they took out the thingy at the top).
I just have one suggestion to make to everyone: don't buy sony. I want to strangle their software development team. It is such a pain to use their software.

skauff83

11-03-2005, 04:34 PM

Battery - old news - issue has been resolved circa 2003
Screen (we're talking scratches here) - Apple replacing all hardware for BRAND NEW no questions asked Doesn't any DAP have scratches?

If the iPod was flawed, it wouldn't be selling like hot cakes almost five years later.
Is that why not a few weeks back there was an 200 page thrad on apple's support forum complaining about the Nano, not to mention a class action lawsuit? Also, I don't believe that apple is replacing all hardware here in the U.S, it may be some other country. But I'll have to take a second look at that article.

And just because something is selling well, doesn't mean that it's neccessarily good. Would you say that Dell (the leading PC manufacturer) also has the best quality? No, probably not.

You don't need one - it charges via USB while connected via PC

What happens when you go someplace and don't have access to a USB port? Like what if I was to go to my granny's house who can't figure out how to work those newfangled computers, and thus doesn't own one? I have a bit of a problem there don't I?

What can I say? You get what you pay for. Cheap for cheap.

Not always.....if you base the quality of stuff souly on the price you paid for it....well then I feel sorry for you.

comfortablyNUMB

11-03-2005, 04:47 PM

What can I say? You get what you pay for. Cheap for cheap.

Please don't double or triple post like you did.

...get lost, FANBOY. :D

ihsan125

11-03-2005, 06:34 PM

another triple poster?

welcome my son

Sparky

11-03-2005, 09:04 PM

what is so great about ipods anyway? i'll admit they're good players, and they look nice, but they don' t look THAT nice.
I like the looks of my DJ more than my iPod nano. What really sold me was how well iTunes works with the iPods and how easy the Smart Playlists can keep the iPods organized. When you sync an iPod to iTunes the play counts and song ratings sync both ways which makes a Smart Playlist that much more powerfull.

My DJ is still my favorite music work horse.

Nova_442

11-04-2005, 12:17 AM

Yeah merouby is getting very hotheaded and defensive about his favorite player. Let's face the facts that Apple has released a player that is rendered completely unusuable through normal wear and tear within months and has to be replaced (and they at least now have a program to deal with it). I commend Apple for that, but putting out a badly flawed player in the first place was very very stupid ^^; Cheap build really. I hope the next generation does better.

hoob

11-04-2005, 01:12 AM

What can I say? You get what you pay for. Cheap for cheap.
See, I was with you for a moment, now it's just obvious you're blatantly biased against the M3. I mean, you make no argument, you just bash senselessly. There's no point arguing with you.

DM.

11-04-2005, 03:22 AM

By the looks of it, this thread is turning into something that we would not like to see happen....

So before it gets out of hand..... we shall end this discussion here.

All players have a good side and a bad side.. no need to bash other people about it.